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'Highly Qualified' Principals?

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Since the No Child Left Behind Act was signed in 2001, districts across the country have been scrambling to ensure that their schools are stocked with "highly qualified teachers." With the law up for renewal, some educators now are pressing lawmakers to pass similar requirements for school leaders.

As M. Christine DeVita writes in a recent Education Week Commentary, "we often fail to recognize that it is the principal alone who can ensure that the teaching and learning in every classroom are as good as they can be."

What do you think? Should the reauthorized NCLB Act include a provision on school leadership? If so, what are the best ways to find, train, and support successful school leaders?

Responses
Michael Xavier/Teacher
12/10/2007 6:12PM

Why not just woo them away from private schools that score so well. I mean, that is after all, isn't it, why we give vouchers to students to attend those schools? Maybe the principal can bring along his staff and then all our problems would be solved.

Emily/Student
12/11/2007 1:06PM

I think that the role of the principal as well as other leaders in a school is often overlooked. Even though principals are sure to have the educational qualifications (they must, after all, have a PhD), it is also necessary that they have the necessary skill sets and attitudes necessary for facilitating a well run school. Their decisions on managing the school, just like a C.E.O.'s decisions on managing a business have a great effect on how the school can accomplish its goals.

James L. Sherrill, Ed. D
12/11/2007 1:26PM

Never mind that we can not assess principal leadership or teacher quality,reliabily. We keep on trying. And ignore cognitive capacities which insure concentrations at both extremes.

R. Knisely
12/11/2007 3:25PM

I believe that the author of the article must have failed his courses in American civics. While national standards sound nice and neat...they are in fact unconstitutional. So is the author's suggestion that there be a national certification for principals. Feel free to propose a Consitutional admendment, but don't propose solutions that are not realistic.

Joseph DeLuca, 5th Grade Teacher
12/11/2007 10:31PM

Why not take a look at the data for a moment...has the push for 'highly-qualified' teachers made a significant difference? If yes, then why not proceed in that direction? If no...

Kim, Teacher
12/12/2007 7:41AM

In my opinion, we are only as effective as our leaders. It has been my experience that principals are often ineffective and oppressive, perpetuating punishment based systems. The real tragedy is that this systemic cycle of violence is modeled to our students.
I advocate for leaders who use positive reinforcement, not punishment, to create supportive learning communities. I agree with Mr. DeLuca, above, in that analysis of the data is a necessary prerequisite for creating systems that promote positive leaders.

Melody, Teacher
12/12/2007 8:45AM

Why stop with principals? Shouldn't all educators be highly qualified? I believe this is a "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" situation. Let's mandate everyone involved be highly qualified - right up to the school board. But let's start with parents, certified before they have children, because that's where education begins and is nurtured. Wait!! How about make sure we first do what is proven to increase student achievement...smaller class size and teaching thought processes rather than memorizing facts!?! Revolutionary!!

Jim, Teacher
12/12/2007 8:51AM

Can we push toward "highly qualified" status for our elected officials?!!?

Al/retired teacher/tutor
12/12/2007 9:47AM

Read the 5th grader's response! I agree.
Also, regarding the concept of moving the whole private school's staff: They would fail!! (You would have to replace the students as well.)

Nancy Swan-Cendejas
12/12/2007 9:55AM

I am a new teacher and recently found out that principals make about TWICE as much as teachers and was told by an x-principal they have so much more responsibility. I would guess that these are the same responsibilities a teacher has in the education of the students in said school. The difference is, teachers are having their feet held to the fire by the government. No mention of the fact that if leadership is failing so are the teachers, who have absolutlely no say in the decisions made for them by the gov and school leadership. I feel like leadership needs to be equally accountable with equal consequences for failure. It is fascinating to me how the whole system is designed for teachers to take the fall for failure. Why not raise the bar of accountability and consequences to include "highly qualified (and paid) principals"

Anthony L. Moore, Ed.D.
12/12/2007 10:00AM

As a former elementary and secondary principal, I know for a fact the only way that principals can be held totally accountable for improving teaching and learning is to empower them with the necessary site-based leadership, resources, decision-making, and authority. Although NCLB can support the site-based initiative, I believe strongly in local control of the community and school board. If you want to truly hold principals accountable for school improvement, they must be able to hire their own staff, control their budget, and make meaningful instructional, curriculum, and professional development decisions at the building level. To whom much power is given, much is required!

Susanna/Educator
12/12/2007 10:38AM

The post from Kim/Teacher has it right: how many administrators (principals as well as central office supervisors) put in their minimum 5 years of teaching because they never really liked being in classrooms with students? These career administrators know that the big bucks ($100K + annual salaries)come with the insulated offices of their administrative assignments. They also know that administrative culture routinely scapegoats teachers for their own inadequacies as educational leaders -- it's shamefully easy to set up a teacher for failure -- stick 'em with huge class sizes, mindless meetings and paperwork, minimal administrative support, extra duties, inclusion students without sp ed support, no teaching supplies, yadda, yadda, yadda.

It's about time that the jig is up and deadwood, incompetent administrators (superintendents included) have NCLB accountability frameworks applied to them. (I have worked in an urban central office -- the nasty casual conversations I overheard about teachers made me sick.)

Philip/Education Consultant
12/12/2007 10:59AM

There are some observable characteristics in skilled leaders, however you can't make a cookie cutter that will automatically produce high quality leaders. A lot of quality in leadership comes as the result of a culmination life experiences.

If you have never been a school principal before you are lacking experience that helps you to fully understand that role. Yet there are so many who have never sat in that chair who are ready to put the principalship in an easily definable box. Leadership is an art to be mastered over time.

Gabriel Fajardo, Ed.M.
12/12/2007 11:13AM

More accountability is needed for school principals. Public schools are microcosms of political arenas that unfortunately succumb to acts of croynism, nepotism, and good ol' boy networking. Too often are highly qualified principals overlooked just to get one of the boys or girls in the principal seat. We need to hold principals more accountable for their actions and inactions. However, if principals are being held accountable as such, they should be compensated accordingly. Performance-based pay should be a consideration. In addition, these educational leaders should be allowed to terminate tenured teachers who are not performing with not having to be concerned of grievances.

Sheldon Shuch, Professor
12/12/2007 11:33AM

I have to admit that I am getting frustrated by members of my profession who continue to ask questions without stepping back and recognizing that we have yet to answer the most fundamental of questions: What, for example, is the purpose of school?; What does a good classroom look like?; What do we need to do when children lack the experiences and other developmental skills to achieve the outcomes we expect?, to mention just a few.

Instead we act as if we know what we are doing and get sidetracked by questions like this when we haven't decided what it is that education leaders need to be able to know and do.

Interestingly, while this conversation goes on we allow folks to take alternative paths to get certified. As a result, we can select education leaders from outside the education world while others claim a principal should need so many years of teaching experiences before being hired. Yet at the same time here in New York where I sit, or recently in Washington D.C. leaders are chosen precisely because they were never in the classroom and it seems the only requisite for appointment is an advanced degree from an Ivy League University. (Just imagine an other profession such as medicine that would allow that!)

I could go on, but I doubt anyone is listening especially in the government.

Barbara/SED Teacher
12/12/2007 10:34PM

Performance based pay? All of the extra forms and paperwork are killing me. As a Special Ed Teacher, I have goals and objectives to measure every quarter as well as report cards. I have about 15 pages on each student at the end of every year and now I'm getting an additional 3 to 8 pages of paper trail added to the 15 pages. That isn't including any other forms that need to be filed to just request any additional services for a student. I'm getting no extra time, no extra pay and more students. Upon which performance would you like to base my pay? Teaching has become a hassel and it has nothing to do with teaching my students that are deemed unacceptable in the regular classroom.

Our schools are not equal in opportunities, our teachers are not equal in pay, our students come from poverty level homes. Some children are left behind before the game ever starts.

Jim E./Edcuational Math Consultant
12/13/2007 6:33AM

In my view there are several distinct problems with the management of our school systems. And management is what we are talking about.

School system management is a joke, and anyone who has worked in the business world will tell you that. And that is the crux of the problem. The school systems seem to think that just because you throw some theory at a person during post baccalaureate courses that makes them a manager. Mangers are trained from the ground up in business and promoted based upon performance, and they are let go when they do not perform, why should it be any difference in the educational world?

School management and teaching - all share the same problem - no experience, no apprenticeship as it were, no recognition of performance excellence, tight budgets, and job security. That is a combination almost guaranteed to encourage mediocrity.

Systems Thinker
12/13/2007 4:26PM

Improving schools is an organizational problem. Of course we need to assess principals and demand high quality, ethical leadership practices. Asking teachers to excel without expecting principals to meet scrutinous standards is like asking the middle managers to make a company successful for an incompetent CEO.

Bob, Teacher/Parent
12/13/2007 4:27PM

The real question is how do we determine who is and who is not highlyqualified? Shall we draft another set of tests for principals? Perhaps we could create a principal aptitude test to help weed out the undesirable elements from our system. From there, the "qualified" people can develope tests to determine who should teach and who should have the opportunity to learn.
We spend words and time giving air to ideals such as highly qualified, with no real definition of what a highly qualified person is. Creating yet another "Catch 22" for education will not bring us any closer to improving the learning of our students.

Sharon, Business Owner/Parent
12/14/2007 1:45PM

Principals are poorly trained. I have s special needs son and have had to go over the elementary principal's head 56 times in a two year period due to his bad judgement.

Highly qualitied principals must also include the special needs child not just the main stream as it stands now!!!

ronnie/Professional developer
12/15/2007 5:42PM

The school is only as effective as the district instructional leadership and yes, the Federal Government can mandate a principal training program and national standards is the states accept the federal monies. New Civics lesson.

Schoolmaven
12/15/2007 6:13PM

The principal makes all the difference from letting deadwood teachers direct the school culture into negative territory, to nonresponsive community involvement because 'she doesn't want them involved' to lacking true understanding of quality instruction. Most district hire according to the buddy system completely kicking effective administrators to the curb, leaving those that can make a difference out in the cold. Of all the schools in the USA, only those whose administrators with a solid proven record of classroom performance over at least a 7 year period, should even be considered for an administrative position, and only after a complete psychological evaluation.

Monise - Prematurely Retired Teacher &Charter School Petitioner
12/20/2007 11:06AM

Wel, it's about time! I have been saying this for years: there needs to be some professional accountability for 'leaders' within the schools. Many people are unaware of the lack of professionalism, ethics, and common sense of some of these school pincipals. Sadly, all it takes is a leadership endorsement and kissing the right behinds to put most people in these positions; that does not guarantee quality leadership. If someone took the time to conduct a study of schools that continually fail to make AYP, compare that with both student and teacher morale, I am sure the common denominator would reflect some issue with the leadership style. It has nothiing to do with vouchers, bringing people from private schools, etc., it is about leadership style. Use any successful multi-billion dollar business or one where people hardly ever leave (unlike the teaching profession) and you can attribute some of that job satisfaction to good leadership. I am not claiming that good leadership is the solution to all of education's problems, but it does play a large role.

Nancy Swan-Cendejas
12/20/2007 2:39PM

As a SPED Teacher and 25 year veteran of corporate america and also MBA, I am of the thought that any group is only as good as their leader and success perpetuates itself. That's where it starts and ends with corporate philosophy in education. The objectives of corporate america and the objectives of our school system are miles apart. Corporate america is driven by greed and an ideal that puts ones self above all others. On the other hand, The objective sought in education is driven by love and a predominatly selfless personality (I realize there are exceptions to every rule). These two cultures are polar opposites, making them difficult to compare. My fear is the government will make an MBA, highly qualified to lead at the building level.

The school culture is a great way to start and if successfully achieved, will provide a rock solid foundation for the rest of reform initiatives which sounds great, but these 100 year old issues have yet to be solved, so to speak.

Carol/retired teacher/thinker/learner
12/30/2007 12:56AM

Sheldon,Ms./Mr. System's Thinker, and others, I am listening and I am glad you are speaking. Without your voices, all might be lost. With your voices at least I have a chance to think and confirm or de-confirm myself. You cannot believe tests and non-experience will make either a teacher or a leader. It is from study, listening to andexamining other voices, and gaining life's expericnes in as amny fields as possible that makes us competent/qualified. So please allow me to hear your voices that I amy examine mine.

Thank you all. One item, a principal does not need a PhD or EdD. Really no one does. We need the passion and desire to search and seek, listen and lead. Becuase I am a believer in the physics of it all, the DNA knows and leads. So why not hop on board for the ride, or perhaps drive.

Carol

Wendy - Teacher / Administrator
01/27/2008 5:53PM

In response to Susanna/Educator: In business, everyone has their area of expertise -- there is no one that is a perfect fit for every situation/position -- such is the case with education, as well. Some people have the talent and drive to lead and work within the administrative environment while others have the talent and drive to work in the classroom. It takes all kinds to make the system work. As Philip/Education Consultant stated, "If you have never been a school principal (or assistant principal) before you are lacking experience that helps you to fully understand that role. Yet there are so many who have never sat in that chair who are ready to put the principalship in an easily definable box." That not only applies to the government leaders, but also to anyone that thinks being an administrator is easy. At the high school level, administrators put in, on the average, a 14-16 hour day - everyday - for the entire school year as well as often having weekend duty. On top of that, they must contend with parent complaints and teacher issues that you would not believe! Why anyone would *choose* such a fate is beyond me (though I happily have done so), but it's a good thing that some do. Consider the consequences otherwise.

As a passionate and compassionate admininistrator, I never forget who is on the front lines in this "war," but it would certainly make the fight a lot easier if the teachers worked cooperatively with the administration -- I think a lot more would get accomplished if we remembered we are all working toward the same goal.

Rich Napoli/ Teacher
02/20/2008 11:01PM

In my opinion, all "educators" should include the building principal. After all, the principal is the instructional leader of the building. He or she should be just as qualified as the teachers if one is to be appointed as the school leader. A principal with classroom experience in essential to the success of the teachers as well as the students of any learning community. If a principal doesn't understand curriculum and student learning, how can a teacher be assessed properly and student achievement improve? So, if teachers are to be highly qualified, administrators should be as well! Principals should be carefully chosen and not granted the job until they can prove their competencies. This may be done simply by teaching a lesson in a classroom or by evaluating a teacher. A principal is not the holder of the keys anymore....

Sara/Pe Teacher
02/25/2008 12:17PM

Pricipals should be included in the term "educator". They are the instructional building head and should have the same, if not more, qualifications as classroom teachers. A schools success starts with the administrator and then trickles down. Administrators need to stay current on curriculum and have the drive to run a school. I am not saying that anyone can do it because that is not it at all. Never being in the position myself, I will not jump to any conclusions, but I do feel that administrators should have to follow the same guidelines as other educators in the building.

concerned
03/29/2008 1:59AM

A principal needs the experience of the classroom for at least 3 years and then they can be deemed highly qualified. A principalmust know what it like to be supported in the classroom and understand the needs of a teacher in the classroom and the expectations of the teachers and most of all the ability to have a high social IQ-our children are too precious to just have an administrator!!

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